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BlaziusDate: Monday, 10 Oct 2011, 05:19 | Message # 46
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First let me tell you i find Summer Glau very cute in this episode : i like her badass-looking clothing, her classic but not too accentuated make-up and her wavy long hairs. No wonder kaotic2 used one of these shots as avatar and wallpaper (see http://summer-glau.com/forum/4-260-7723-16-1317773745 and later posts).


Same with me. One of the most beautiful Summer Glau incarnations to date.

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Conclusion :
It's true that Cameron looked seriously badass in this episode but she was rather acting like Sherlock Holmes, observing and anlysing peoples behaviours; Camerons was the one who guessed Zoe's father was not dead and also the one who unearthed the video accusing him. Not bad for a killing machine!


She was certainly like Sherlock. In fact Camerons detective mastery appeared in numerous other episodes too most notably in Self made man when uncovering the Stark mystery or in Alison from Palmdale when she made Alison and Jody talk just about their every secret.

Or in To the Lighthouse when she tracked down and saved Derek so fast.

I always thought the best idea would be to make a spinoff where she and Eric would be like a detective agency solving murders and mysteries both Skynet related or not while we can discover more about Cameron during their dialogues( I never thought this would actually happen ever but admit it would have been cool biggrin )

When dragging the picture out of the context however she is certainly the most badass, powerful woman I've ever seen. I just want to emphasize this because the industry is actually very lacking in this department in my opinion( and it annoys me very much)

This kind of character only works for them with older and/or masculine type of women( aka Ripley from Alien or Sarah from the Terminator films) but as soon as they get somebody younger , a bit feminine or good looking it doesn't work at all. It usually either degrades into a show off of sexy outfits and scenes( T3 with TX as villain, Padme in SW 1-3 as protagonist are good examples) or they are outright unnoticable( my examples are from blockbusters I know but many sci-fi or other genre series is plagued by this too). It gets really old, I'd rather cut these characters out of the movies, episodes if I could entirely.

I used to blame everybody but the actors but now I think that not everybody can play such a powerful female as Summer so its possible the writers are limited by the limitations of the actresses as well. Yet I blame everybody in the industry who is not willing to notice that there is a woman who could be a cure to many of our problems.

She totally gave back my fate that such a character can be done right if there are good writers behind them and most importantly there is an actress who at least does her job and plays a character instead of simply acting like a pretty photo model on stage!

So this is another reason why nobody can beat Summer in my eyes victory


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 10 Oct 2011, 12:03 | Message # 47
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Well said Blazius!

Now you'll excuse me if i go back to the context of the image : if Cameron was acting like Sherlock, the interesting point is that she is in the middle of a learning process. Cameron is able to see little things in human's behavious that other humans could not; we're not talking about detailed anatomy files in her memory bank, but about the understanding of the human soul.

To that regard, Cameron is a more advanced model than the T1001; inded, the subplot of 'desert Cantos' is the doppleganger of Cameron's character study. I won't reproduce all of Weaver's lines like i did for Cameron but you wouls see that she's learning about human's behaviours helself too, hence the anniversary of Lachlan Weaver's death thing. But the difference with Cameron is that Weaver learned nothing, she only reproduced Ellison's speech about his own father's death to Savannah (she did this before with Dr Sherman before when talking about how paper work smelled like dead cow).

Blazius is right to say that TSCC is about two A.I. but one is learning about human feelings whereas the other is just mimicking them.

Side note : Ellison is not very smart for an FBI agent. He has constant hints that Catherine Weaver is acting strangely but cannot figure out something is wrong. All the more he has whitnessed Cromatie's impersonating of Georges Lazlo.


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BlaziusDate: Tuesday, 11 Oct 2011, 03:25 | Message # 48
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Now you'll excuse me if i go back to the context of the image : if Cameron was acting like Sherlock, the interesting point is that she is in the middle of a learning process. Cameron is able to see little things in human's behavious that other humans could not; we're not talking about detailed anatomy files in her memory bank, but about the understanding of the human soul.


Cameron is indeed learning and evolving through her observation constantly. Her questions are betraying her possibly evolving sentiency. She is curious, and once she got an answer she implements it into her thought process, asking more and more logical and complex questions. The decisive point is when she starts to have unique view on the world, asks unique questions and she realizes the meaning of the answers.

Good example is when she repeated Sarahs metaphor where she compares her illness to a time bomb. I think that moment she realized what it exactly meant and what Sarah and Eric felt and that she feels the same because of her chip damage.

In a way she seems to even develop a unique philosophy, worldview on her own. It makes her personality a bit childish sometimes too, with Dr. Shermans analogy. She, like a child asks a lot of questions, observing the world carefully, tries to develop an identity. She even does the same mistakes as well like in this scene you quoted:

"Cameron: Zoe's not in love with you.
Henry: What?
Cameron: She doesn't love you the way you love her."

like a child she doesn't know its not appropriate to say such a thing. She is often overly honest. I found the emerging entity in Camerons shell very pleasant, innocent and kind on one hand . In Self made man she apologies to Eric in a very moving manner, he forgave her immediately afterwards. I don't think any of us would do that especially in the same manner.It has to do with the fact that she can't feel negative emotions( she explained it briefly in Complications too) like pride, hatred, prejustice and the like. In fact she'd likely make a far better human than the humans themselves.

On the other hand she can't feel positive emotions either. Thats why she is able to senselessly kill or being unaffected when somebody dies.

Yet in the case of John Henry it was possible to teach him to value human life so it'd certainly work for Cameron too although that would be a bit harder considering Cams "terminator instincts".

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Side note : Ellison is not very smart for an FBI agent. He has constant hints that Catherine Weaver is acting strangely but cannot figure out something is wrong. All the more he has whitnessed Cromatie's impersonating of Georges Lazlo.


Agent Elison is not an overly smart guy to say at least.


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 01:09 | Message # 49
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Since the relationship between Summer Glau and Joss Whedon has been evoked in threads like 'Would you like to see Summer Glau in Serenity 2?' or 'Does Summer want to be an A-lister?', i will submit two photos where these two are together.

The two photos are behind the scene from Serenity; the first one probably taken in Diamond Ranch High School, Pomona California, while i leave the location of the second one to Firefly' specialists.


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Summer Glau and Joss Whedon in Serenity

Two remarks on that first picture

1) Summer is adorable.

2) Her expression when she looks at Joss (with her head tilted on the side) is full of sweetness and shows she loves and admire that man. Her expression says : "he is like a guru to me and i would follow him everywhere".

The expressions of the other actors are also very revealing, but it should be discussed further on the discussion.


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Summer Glau and Joss Whedon in Serenity

Two remarks on that second picture

1) Summer is adorable

2) Her expression when she looks at Joss is full of determination. Her expression says : "I'm not a child, i have more strenght that you can even imagine and i defy you".

Serenity is all about Summer and Joss, the other actors are non-existent, rejected to the background, literaly and figuratively.



As a conclusion, both photos are the two sides of the relationship between Summer and Joss and it leads me to say : they're fascinated by each other.


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FordStaffDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 01:17 | Message # 50
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I do not have the pictures to back it up, but I have seen quite a few where Nathan Fillion has the same expression of

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"he is like a guru to me and i would follow him everywhere".


when with Joss Whedon. He has even said exactly that in interviews. When Joss calls he answers immediately with a yes without even asking what which is how he got is gig in Dr. Horrible. He even was fine with getting naked in "Trash" mainly because Joss Whedon wanted it so he knew it would be great.

It seems that Joss Whedon is fairly admired by the actors he works with.


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BlaziusDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 02:30 | Message # 51
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1) Summer is adorable.


I agree smile

First I must say that we could evaluate more their relationship from a video than an image. We don't really know the context of those images.

I don't exactly know what do you mean by "fascinated by each other" especially from Joss' point of view.

Now its not unknown that Summer admired Joss which is not a big surprise considering it was he who picked her up in the first place.

Moreover at the time of the making of Serenity she wasn't really in bigger projects yet which aren't Whedon related. Mammoth, Initation of Sarah came after just like The 4400 and ultimately TSCC and DHM. Even after their relationship was good proved by Dollhouse. She even asked his opinion about acting in the Cape and he said she should try it( nice advice Whedon).

However there are still things which are bothering me.

So Whedon while building her career he got two shows cancelled on her so far I don't care why did it happen, it was his show and he was solely responsible for it from among the staff not the actors. Maybe he had bad luck but if anyone can be blamed and was involved in the creation process it was him not Summer.

Anyway, now he has luck and funds and anything he wants and it seems that he will win at long last and now our dear friend conveniently forgets about Summer and pretends if she wouldn't be waiting for a big breakthrough, while if he were more clever with Firefly she probably wouldn't even be in need for a breakthrough, she'd have her 15th Oscar by now.

I don't know how this changed their relationship but if I were Summer I wouldn't speak with him ever again.


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FordStaffDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 02:51 | Message # 52
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First I must say that we could evaluate more their relationship from a video than an image. We don't really know the context of those images.


I would say we will never know the condition of their relationship without their direct input (even then it may not be honest). Trying to rationalize it from the limited material we can gather would be quite foolish.

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So Whedon while building her career he got two shows cancelled on her so far I don't care why did it happen, it was his show and he was solely responsible for it from among the staff not the actors. Maybe he had bad luck but if anyone can be blamed and was involved in the creation process it was him not Summer.


Your posts that I have seen all been very reasonable until this. Firefly's cancellation can really in no way be blamed on Joss Whedon. He created a show that is still loved by critics and fans alike, it is not his fault that the executives at Fox for some reason did not want the show to succeed. Seriously do you know what they did to that show? The vast majority of shows that have lasted quite a while would not have survived that. Had Lost or any other given show gotten the same treatment it would never have survived either. It is not as if the show harmed Summer in some way. She thoroughly enjoyed it while getting her first gig as a main cast (a role that is still loved years later) , and from what I have read EVER SINGLE person who was involved in that show thought it one of the greatest things they have been involved with from the cast to the camera crew.

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while if he were more clever with Firefly she probably wouldn't even be in need for a breakthrough, she'd have her 15th Oscar by now.


Sorry but that is simply not likely. Had Firefly been commercially successful it still would have been a Science Fiction and those rarely get awards for their actors (a crime yes). Assuming that you meant Emmy Awards I am fairly certain at this point only two science fiction shows have ever even had actors win an Emmy for acting (Battle Star Galatica and Lost). Lost was not even particularly Science Fiction more mystery/drama than anything. She could not win an Emmy for her acting in T:TSCC so that should show you just how much of a joke science fiction apparently is (had she done the same performances in a drama it would have been guaranteed). Quite infuriating, but there is reality.

Dollhouses cancellation however can partly be blamed on Joss. The concept was just not meant to last, but then again isn't this the type of thing the Executives are there to say no to in the first place? Leave it to Fox to cancel the show with the better concept and to green light a terrible one.

I do not mean to always come to Joss Whedon's protection I am not some rabid fan, the only thing of his I have even seen is Firefly. You just seem a bit colored in your judgement of Joss Whedon particularly in his treatment of Summer. You are twisting every situation into some malignant plan by him to screw Summer over when there is quite a bit of uncertainty in the matter.


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termi-ninja-torDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 04:40 | Message # 53
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Here is one of my favorite interviews with Summer. She appears so innocent and open. Truly "genu-wine."

At about the 1:00 minute mark, the interviewer asks her what it is like for her working with Joss Whedon, and she gives a very positive response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4qxlMrmwZ8
 
Fox012Date: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 06:29 | Message # 54
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Of course, I understand that she must not have ever been truly naked during the filming


On The bluray you can see that summer wears a Flesh Colored Bodysuit So you right but yeah She Looked so Vulnerable

and Good Cutting made it Possible That we did not see Anything what we are not Suppposed to see... =)


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 09:21 | Message # 55
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I don't exactly know what do you mean by "fascinated by each other" especially from Joss' point of view.

Neither do i biggrin

When i created this thread, i had in mind to offer a visual distraction; the viewer is invited to look at a picture and say what does it evoke for him, just like when you're in a museum and look at a painting. Obviously, not all visitors will have the same interpretation but that's not necessary the point; the important thing is to create a visual emotion that could be subjectively interpreted.

In this case, this is my very subjective interpretation of the body language in this stills pics but it's not supposed to be the reality.

By way of comparison, the body language of Nathan Fillion, Alan Tudyk or Gina Torres does not show the same attraction towards Joss Whedon as shown by Summer : Nathan, Alan and Gina have their feet firmly planted on the ground whereas Summer's are showing unsecurity. Gina's upper body is leaned backward, showing she feels not attracted by Joss, Nathan is not even looking at Joss but at Summer (One could say that the photograph captured the instant when Nathan was not looking at Joss and that it proves nothing about Joss/Natahn relationship but that's not the point here; the point is to give a visual and subjective feeling ).


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 09:30 | Message # 56
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Here is one of my favorite interviews with Summer. She appears so innocent and open. Truly "genu-wine."

I discovered that interview not so long ago and i was surprised i didn't recognize Summer's facial expressions at all; maybe it's due to that fact that she was very young, i don't know.

As you said she appear so innocent here that my protective side is afraid someone would abuse of her; i prefer a more mature Summer, maybe not so innocent and naive as she used to be but still 1000% more genuine than every other actresse in Hollywood.


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Fox012Date: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 10:51 | Message # 57
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Your Thoughts on This pic!?


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 11:05 | Message # 58
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Your Thoughts on This pic!?

Very hard for me to comment without the context of the picture; it looks it's taken from CBS's The Unit but i haven't seen it.


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Fox012Date: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 11:14 | Message # 59
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Quote (Fox012)Your Thoughts on This pic!?Very hard for me to comment without the context of the picture; it looks it's taken from CBS's The Unit but i haven't seen it.


Its From CSI one of Summers "early" acting Roles... smile


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 24 Oct 2011, 11:33 | Message # 60
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Its From CSI one of Summers "early" acting Roles...

Not seen this one either sad

It looks like the majority of Summer's role involve pain and cry at some point; i guess that tv producers were impressed by Summer's acting on Angel and Firefly, where a lot of emotional scenes were filmed. I take that as the aknowledgement that Summer is credible in thoses scenes.

Also her career could have turned another way after her guest appearances in non sci-fi Cold Case, CSI and The Unit. Then came The 4400 and its longer story arc, which sealed her career in the sci-fi world.

Edit : you can see CSI's extract featuring Summer in that scene in the Wiki Pages : CSI


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