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How to win an Oscar and other Hollywood patterns.
FermiDate: Wednesday, 28 Sep 2011, 13:48 | Message # 46
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The following news doesn't belong in this thread but it was so funny i couldn't resist reporting it. Is Nicolas Cage a Vampire from the Civil War Era? video platformvideo managementvideo solutionsvideo player This image of the Cage double comes from an actual Civil War photograph, making the actor almost 200 years old (or older) if he was a vamp before that period in history. image courtesy of ABC News Read full article at : ABC news

LOL ROFL. Yes that civil war dude looks exactly like him, but I don't think Cage is a Vampire though. This is due to timetravel Skynet accidentally sent their Niclas Cage clone terminator to the wrong time. biggrin


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 03 Oct 2011, 17:57 | Message # 47
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According to Twitch, James Bond's franchise producers have chosen the girl who will have the privilege to stand next to Daniel Graig in Sam Mendes' upcoming, still untitled 23rd Bond film : French actress/model Bérénice Marlohe.



Here's the trailer from Berenice last movie...



... yeah, i noticed it's a commercial for a car tongue

One of Hollywood's more obvious pattern is repeating itself : producers likes almost unknown actresses for that type of blockbusters (see the Transformers franchise and Rosie Huntington-Whiteley).

Side note : If the information is confirmed, she would become the third French James Bond girl...over the last three films. After Eva Green in 'Casino Royale' (2006), French-Ukrainian Olga Kurylenko played opposite Craig in last James Bond 'Quantum of Solace' (2008).


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chrisdvanneDate: Thursday, 13 Oct 2011, 10:24 | Message # 48
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Now i will explain to you the real reasons why people in America prefer a brilliant show like Dancing With The Stars on ABC (3.0 in 18-49 ratings and 17 millions viewers) to a boring sci-fi show like TSCC.

Rather than doing it with words i will show you two videos featuring the lovely and genuine Nancy Grace :





Btw who is Nancy Grace?

Side note : i talked to a tango contest dancer last week and she told me that staff members of her dance school in Paris are in the jury of the French version of DWTS; i didn't even know it was on French tv because i don't watch French tv (at least US programs are entertaining).


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chrisdvanneDate: Tuesday, 08 Nov 2011, 18:51 | Message # 49
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Movie poster design show great similarities, as observed by French blogger Christophe Courtois (hence the French titles sometimes).

Back to back people
Movies involving a couple in a romantic comedy, often paired withs pink color to evoke wedding or seduction; Pretty Women didn't invented this type of movie poster but the success of the movie helped popularizing it.

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Back to back movie poster

Source : Le Sibère Carnet de Christophe Courtois


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chrisdvanneDate: Wednesday, 23 Nov 2011, 20:32 | Message # 50
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Reflects within dark glasses.
Besides agent K and agent J, most of the stars are featured in movie posters with glasses whose glasses are not totally black.
There is systematically reflects in the glasses but instead of reflecting what's in front of them, there is many different things like banknotes, bad guys or victims, buildings or even terminators...


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Reflects within dark glasses in movie posters

I'm not sure the photo featuring Cameron in a TSCC promo poster (raw 2, col 6) is authentic; i'm rather thinking it's fanart.

Source : Le Sibère Carnet de Christophe Courtois


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 27 Feb 2012, 11:29 | Message # 51
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I think it's a good day to necrobump this thread.

Of course i'm proud that the French movie "The Artist" won 5 Oscars , including Best Film and Best Actor in a Leading Role for Jean Dujardin but i'm not that stupid to think the best movie and the best actor won.

"The Artist" won those prizes simply because the American production/distribution company who boughts the rights, namely The Weinstein Company, has made a great lobbying campaign revolving around the movie.

Harvey Weinstein who runs the company is very talented when it comes to promoting its films and he was smart enough to foreshadow that this little French film could be an Oscar potential winner if well marketed and promoted.



But i must also say the French actor Jean Dujardin is a great showman; you know what i mean if you've seen him on Jay Leno for example (particularly the second part of the interview):




Who cares about the artistic value of "The Artist" when you have a lobbyist like Harvey Weinstein and a clown like Jean Dujardin on your team?


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chrisdvanneDate: Friday, 02 Mar 2012, 22:21 | Message # 52
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There was a lot of beautiful people at The 2012 Vanity Fair Oscar Party, one photo in particular caught my attention : it shows Harvey Weinstein (see above) and Busy Phillips, who plays in Cougar Town (ABC) but also played Kacy Corbin in TSCC.


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 05 Mar 2012, 17:35 | Message # 53
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Heroes alumni Hayden Panetierre will star in ABC's drama pilot Nashville, while Ali Larter, another Heroes alumni, will play the lead role in Fox's drama pilot The Asset (written and run by TSCC's Josh Friedman); also we all know that BSG alumni Tricia Helfer will play the lead in TNT's drama pilot Scent of the Missing.

Can you see the pattern here?

Networks are willing to bet on actors/actresses who have played on a hit show because they think it will guarantee a following; Summer Glau has often been the breakout character in movies or series she played in but unfortunately none of them was a hit, hence the reluctance of the Studios Execs to hire her in a prominent role.

Numbers (ratings in this case) will always prevail over raw talent.


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BlaziusDate: Tuesday, 06 Mar 2012, 02:17 | Message # 54
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Thats why we always see so much untalented, or not that talented people in roles they have absolutely no idea how to play properly?

Talent is worthless in Hollywood IMO, you can get very far without practically doing anything and you can get tossed aside even if you give the performances of the century on a daily basis. Ever wonder why you can't see anything worthwhile on TV or in the Cinema anymore? Because in the past the industry at least tried to look like as if it still cared for some sort of art. Now? They are actually making a competition on who can cast more untalented and uninteresting people in movies/shows which themselves have even less interesting plots and characters. Just toss in a few CGI and a few sex scenes and wait for money to flow in.

A bit related to the recent MMO thread too but the gaming industry went through a similar transformation recently. A few years ago game developers bothered to write interesting and even complex story for games, making enjoyable game mechanics, interesting characters, quests, missions etc.

But they don't care for that anymore than Hollywood cares for good actors. The only thing they are doing is that they make shiny graphics, a few shallow, unimaginative missions with gameplay mechanics created for braindead monkeys then add in a cheap online multiplayer mode and done. Do you know why? Because creating a meaningful game is more expensive than making a bad game and setting up a multiplayer feature. Why would you make a sophisticated AI for enemies for example if players can easily entertain each other?

Thats why there are so much new MMOs too BTW.

Of course the little kids are OK with that and because they are the largest consumer group the industry is OK with that too.

See? This pattern which ensures more money to industries on expense of art and/or some kind of meaningful creation is present everywhere not just in Hollywood and that makes this issue even more disturbing IMO because you'll see this issue everywhere you look.


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chrisdvanneDate: Tuesday, 06 Mar 2012, 02:51 | Message # 55
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I think we make a good team Blazius!

I reports facts in a more or less neutral way (but i have always something in mind, don't be fooled); then you show up and you express the feelings of a fan (which is expected since the Summer Glau Wiki IS a fansite); i think this works well and i hope the readers enjoy that little play as much as we do.

Back on topic : i see examples of the things you're saying every day when i'm surfing the net for informatons about Summer. Also you've chosen a very good example by mentioning the video game industry; it's not random that many voices of the hit video games are made by actors who have gained a reputation in scifi tv shows. Tricia Helfer voices Mass Effect 2 ( EDI), Starcraft 2 ( Kerrigan) and Halo 3: ODST ( Dare), Katee Sackhoff (BSG) does some too, as well as Felicia Day to name a few. Summer Glau herself voiced Kara in an animated Marvel movie (not video game i know) and she recently played in Alternative Reality Game "The Human Preservation Project".
Movie and video game industries are one and the same and they apply the same business and marketing rules.


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BlaziusDate: Tuesday, 06 Mar 2012, 03:24 | Message # 56
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I think we make a good team Blazius!

I reports facts in a more or less neutral way (but i have always something in mind, don't be fooled); then you show up and you express the feelings of a fan (which is expected since the Summer Glau is a fansite); i think this works well and i hope the readers enjoy that little play as much as we do.


Yeah, nice dynamic, isn't it? I love doing it myself and I hope too that visitors enjoy it and gives them something to think about happy

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Back on topic : i see examples of the things you're saying every day when i'm surfing the net for informatons about Summer. Also you've chosen a very good example by mentioning the video game industry; it's not random that many voices of the hit video games are made by actors who have gained a reputation in scifi tv shows. Tricia Helfer voices Mass Effect 2 ( EDI), Starcraft 2 ( Kerrigan) and Halo 3: ODST ( Dare), Katee Sackhoff (BSG) does some too, as well as Felicia Day to name a few. Summer Glau herself voiced Kara in an animated Marvel movie (not video game i know) and she recently played in Alternative Reality Game "The Human Preservation Project".
Movie and video game industries are one and the same and they apply the same business and marketing rules.


Indeed, they are walking hand in hand especially since gaming became at least as much important as movies. BTW the usage of sci-fi actors in games has exactly the same function as in movies IMO. A game developer does everything to ensure that the game in development will be a hit. To achieve this they are trying to make as many familiar, tried and successful and fan magnet function as possible.

A familiar voice may attract a lot of people thats a sure thing especially because many players are likely sci-fi fans too guaranteed to be familiar with the actors . This pattern is also why games tend to copy each other so much nowadays. You put X feature in your game and it became a hit? Sure thing I'll put that too in mine! Needless to say that this also takes away from any innovation from games and thus they become even less meaningful.

It doesn't work always in gaming interestingly. For example Dragon age 2 tried to copy Mass Effect very heavily but it became a failure and failed to reproduce the financial success of its predecessor( although it did fairly well because of its title) so at least in gaming you can't do it that boldly as one could imagine.



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chrisdvanneDate: Wednesday, 21 Mar 2012, 17:48 | Message # 57
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News : Doctor Who.
Jenna Louise-Coleman has been officially announced as the new Doctor Who assistant; the former Emmerdale actress is to replace Karen Gillan as the Time Lord's companion in BBC1 drama.



Some have said that she kinda looks like Summer Glau and i'm fine with that. But Jenna has something that Summer has lost forever, at least in the eyes of the producers : she is 25 years old but looks like a 15 year old. Thomas Dekker still has it but not Summer anymore.

Though that didn't prevent Lena Headey from landing a great role in Game of Thrones so...


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BlaziusDate: Thursday, 22 Mar 2012, 01:36 | Message # 58
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Some have said that she kinda looks like Summer Glau and i'm fine with that. But Jenna has something that Summer has lost forever, at least in the eyes of the producers : she is 25 years old but looks like a 15 year old. Thomas Dekker still has it but not Summer anymore.


Which is why it'd be a bit about time for Summer to land on something very big( which is also why I was a bit upset about Whedons reluctance to hire Summer in his big hit). With time her chances will be obviously diminished by age, thats inevitable, she doesn't have forever. Of course this age problem is more of a problem from producers narrow sighted POV IMO because Summer still looks like an angel and could look at least 10 years younger than she really is.

Seriously, lets forget Summer acting abilities for a second, Hollywood doesn't give crap about art anyway. Summer is a very beautiful woman, sexy, cute and innocent looking at the same time. Who the hell wouldn't want a beauty like Summer in his movie? Does somebody in Hollywood actually know how Summer looks like?

Perfect body, beautiful face, she is easily on par with every woman who ever worked as an actress and tons of super hyped actresses are actually far uglier than Summer IMO. She should get and have already gotten( especially when she was younger) tons of high profile jobs based solely on her looks IMO. Of course beauty is a subjective thing but still there is a level of beauty which is beautiful to most people regardless of preferences and Summer is in that category.

I start to think that every producer must be either all women or men who "doesn't like women" and thus can't judge properly who is hot and who is not. To clarify if producers would only be women or gay that wouldn't be a problem in itself but if they want an eyecandy for the straight male audience then ask one about whats attractive.

Side note: Summer easily looked far younger than Miss Coleman when she was the same age IMO and could be on par with her if she really wanted even now( a bit makeup and proper clothing is all Summer would need but maybe she wouldn't need even that)

Summer is a very "economical" choice regarding actress lifespan anyway since she ages slower than most women. Symmetric face and tiny body structure is a sign of female youth and you won't find a woman who so perfectly has these characteristics.

Maybe the problem still is that she doesn't want to show that much of that beauty as producers would like but if thats the sole problem then we are really sorry.


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chrisdvanneDate: Thursday, 22 Mar 2012, 09:48 | Message # 59
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You're a bit harsh on Whedon; did he cast another actor he's used to work with in The Avengers? The answer is no, partly because ha had to re-cast the actors from the previous Marvel movies but also because he had not the final word imo, considering he is new to such big project and the amount of money at stake.

On the opposite, he hired most of them in all his indie movies but no Summer on sight so far; is it deliberate or is it simply because of her schedule we don't know.

You're right, Summer could look ten years younger as proven by her guest appearance in GA inwhich she played a young nurse.

TBH this is not something new that Hollywood cares less and less about aging actresses, even in the case of a young-looking Summer Glau; i agree with you, Summer has to land on something big but given that i doubt she will be given a chance on movies, i hope she will have a hit tv show on her resume.


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BlaziusDate: Thursday, 22 Mar 2012, 17:53 | Message # 60
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You're a bit harsh on Whedon; did he cast another actor he's used to work with in The Avengers? The answer is no, partly because ha had to re-cast the actors from the previous Marvel movies but also because he had not the final word imo, considering he is new to such big project and the amount of money at stake.


Summer needs help IMO. I don't think one can achieve any more without "cheating". How Natalie Portman got an Oscar? Most likely she had connections. Summer on the other hand doesn't have connections and she isn't the girl who sleeps with a producer for a role.

That said her only connection would be Mr. Whedon. Whedon knows what Summer is capable of and how important that'd be to make her succeed I'm sure. He just doesn't do it. OK maybe he doesn't have that much word in things to outright get Summer a super leading role but don't tell me that Whedons bosses care for every single role in the movie. She'd just need something smaller but still an A-lister movie role to raise her damn "prestige"( this starts to sound like an idiotic MMO BTW). Without any kind of help, thats it. Summer doesn't have time to climb up on the ladder again in non-sci-fi circles(especially with the current "Nurse Emily" rate). She needs a shortcut, either an old mentor like Whedon who became a large fish or a random somebody who by chance realizes Summers talent and takes chances with her.

And whats with not casting Summer in one of his indie movies? Its obvious that Summer would need every help more than ever IMO and she is abandoned just now?

I wish Summer pushed things a little harder during her Serenity or TSCC period. Those were the apex of her career and had far more chance than now.


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