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Do you think we will get a TSCC continuation?
Date: Wednesday, 2011 May 25, 21:47 GMT | Message # 1

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In this thread you can discuss the poll question.
The poll result so far
Yes 50%
No 50%

I have the feeling that it is unlikely, but can not tell for sure

What do you think?


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Date: Thursday, 2011 May 26, 00:15 GMT | Message # 2

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Your question is very open; for me a TSCC continuation means a tv show, a mini-serie or a direct-to-DVD movie, in which most of the old cast takes on their previous role. Period. Alas, despite a few rumors distilled by Brain Austin Green and Thomas Dekker last year, there is no tangible informations in favor of such a continuation.

There is already continuations under the form of fanfiction or even No Fate Production's Terminator: The Connor Chronicles at http://www.terminatorcc.com/.


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Date: Thursday, 2011 May 26, 00:37 GMT | Message # 3

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I was hopeful for a while that there might be a direct-to-disc movie like Firefly/Serenity, but this seems to have faded as more time passed.

The apparent success of the cast and writers being able to get new jobs makes a continuation less likely.

Also, the reactivation of interest in making more Terminator movies (with or without Arnold Schwarzenegger) increases the likelihood that the TSCC story will be pushed aside in favor of movies developing the main Terminator theme.

At this point, I am hoping for a Terminator movie that somehow incorporates TSCC characters, like having Cameron or Allison play a role in the story.

I have not much hope left for anything that will give closure to the TSCC story arc. Perhaps the cheapest and easiest closure could come directly from Josh Friedman, if he were to just share his ideas for Season 3 and beyond in an interview. Just so we would know . . .
 
 
Date: Thursday, 2011 May 26, 02:15 GMT | Message # 4

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I think its very unlikely that we will have a continuation. If we get one it will certainly be a direct-to-DVD film for the fans with low budget and while I would be happy with that even that is very unlikely.Even Serenity was a miracle and it wont be repeated again. It will sound a bit like a biased opinion but I honestly think that TSCC and even the Terminator franchise will only be able survive trough Summer Glau and her Cameron for a number of reasons.

Reason one: Before TSCC Terminator meant only Schwarzenegger to me and I think every Terminator fan thought the same back then. I thought nobody will ever be able to replace him. How could anybody continue the legacy of the legendary terminator? Even Schwarzenegger himself struggled with this in T3 (the writers messed him up a bit). then came TSCC and I saw that the "heir" was to be a tiny, fragile looking teenage girl(I didn't know Summer back then).
I completely hated the idea because I thought nobody will be able to play it properly . Then I saw a few episodes and I was shocked....SHE DID IT! A fresh, unique face who could breathe new life into the aged, dying franchise! She took a seemingly impossible character combination and made her not just work but made her the best character in the show or even the whole Terminator series(this was the point actually that made me a Summer fan). This leads to reason two.

Reason two: Because there is nobody else. This is proved by T4 the first T movie without Schwarzenegger and the weakest installment in the franchise (in my opinion).They didn't even try to replace Schwarzenegger(only used CGI for a cameo to make fans happy) and the movie became a disaster(I don't count that half-terminator,half- human abomination as the new terminator)
Do they really think that putting a completely unknown,random body builder in the role will fill the gap?They tried even the female path with the TX in T3 but failed utterly (to me at least) because she was utterly boring, uninteresting and most importantly lacked personality and uniqueness which shows that not everybody is able to write or play such a character properly .

So why not use Summer/Cameron who already has a solid fanbase, established lore and place in the franchise while we know that the whole concept is actually working ( extremely well in fact) ? Besides the whole Summer Glau, TSCC and even Firefly fanbase would most certainly watch it so this would earn the creators guaranteed income even in the case of total failure. So I think the most important and the most reasonable goal would be to make Summer/Cameron appear as the main terminator in the next Terminator movie.

I'm writing this not just as a Summer fan but also as a Terminator fan who is really worried about the series after its last, atrocious installment.



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Date: Thursday, 2011 May 26, 23:31 GMT | Message # 5

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Im totally agreed with you,my way was the same for Summer fun.
 
 
Date: Saturday, 2011 May 28, 16:32 GMT | Message # 6

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So why not use Summer/Cameron who already has a solid fanbase, established lore and place in the franchise while we know that the whole concept is actually working ( extremely well in fact) ?


Because that's not how the film industry works!

1) TSCC and the Terminator movies are two completely separated worlds.
The stories and timeline are different, because Josh Friedman built them this way. You can expect a tv show actor to be on the movie if the movie is directly inspired by the serie, like for Star Trek of Stargate. This is not the case here: Friedman made constant references to the franchise to please Terminator fans (TSCC fans are Terminator fans for the most part but Terminator fans are not all TSCC fans) but the Terminator movies don't give a sh*t about TSCC.
I have never heard or read a single allusion to TSCC when they were articles about the Terminator rights or the continuation of the franchise, have you?

2) Hollywood would always prefer a young unknow actress (preferably with the right assets at the right places) to a well established tv actress, especially in scifi blockbusters; think to the Transformers franchise. Partly because producers prefer to spent money on special effects. This is much more common to find TV comedy actresses on a romantic movie.

3) As much as i appreciate Summer Glau, she has not the ability to attract filmgoers just by her name, or every tv show she plays on would be a success.

Imo, there is zero chance that Summer Glau would play on a terminator movie; your arguments, though well constructed, are from a fanboy point of view and not from a Hollywood executive point of view. I'm not saying i understand the Execs more than you do, i don't and even so-called experts don't either (see TVByTheNumbers experts foreseeing "Fringe" and "Chuck" cancellations).
But fans expectations and Executives decisions are very different and the last ones always win in the end.

That said i appreciate very much that you take the time to develop your aguments on the wiki; i'm sure wiki viewers appreciate that too. By confronting our different opinions, Wiki viewers can have two visions and make their own opinions themselves.


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Date: Saturday, 2011 May 28, 23:18 GMT | Message # 7

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From fanboy point of view or not,i think only TSCC ideas can resurrect T 5&6
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Date: Sunday, 2011 May 29, 00:08 GMT | Message # 8

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From fanboy point of view or not,i think only TSCC ideas can resurrect T 5&6


TSCC has introduced brilliant ideas like Cameron the protector and love interest with an agenda on its own, Catherine Weaver and John Henry the rebellious terminator faction, Derek Reese the soldier, John Connor plunged in a future where he is not the leader of the resistence, Allison chosen by future John Connor.
I'm sure Friedman has also plans for Savannah Weaver and Myles Dyson's son.
But these storylines belongs to TSCC universe and won't be used in the Terminator franchise. Using them would be considered by Josh Friedman as plagiarism and he could sue the studios for doing that.


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Date: Sunday, 2011 May 29, 02:28 GMT | Message # 9

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TSCC and the Terminator movies are two completely separated worlds.
The stories and timeline are different, because Josh Friedman built them this way. You can expect a tv show actor to be on the movie if the movie is directly inspired by the serie, like for Star Trek of Stargate. This is not the case here: Friedman made constant references to the franchise to please Terminator fans (TSCC fans are Terminator fans for the most part but Terminator fans are not all TSCC fans) but the Terminator movies don't give a sh*t about TSCC.
I have never heard or read a single allusion to TSCC when they were articles about the Terminator rights or the continuation of the franchise, have you?


Yes they are different however as a long time Terminator fan my opinion is that while TSCC has the spirit to call it the part of the Terminator series and the worthy continuation of T1 and T2, Terminator Salvation is completely devoid of it moreover, its so shallow even for a blocbuster that its almost completely unwatchable in my opinion,(however I would like to see whats the opinion of the rest of the community regarding Salvation just to see if I’m the only one who despises that movie so much) . So they can play "hide and seek” with the TSCC storyline if they wish but they will completly ruin the whole franchise both storywise and both characterwise. I’ m a Terminator fan but I won’t spend money on the next film unless they make it watchable. I don’t care about the movies "storyline” anymore!


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2) Hollywood would always prefer a young unknow actress (preferably with the right assets at the right places) to a well established tv actress, especially in scifi blockbusters; think to the Transformers franchise. Partly because producers prefer to spent money on special effects. This is much more common to find TV comedy actresses on a romantic movie.


In other words they prefer hiring Hollywood whores instead of actresses. And they also prefer making fancy CGI instead of developing something more essential, a story perhaps? I have to agree with your statements however I really don’t like the direction the film industry is going. They are taking away everything that makes a movie memorable, enjoyable or even watchable. They turn it into a big,shallow, boring eyecandy without any substance. I watch films because I like interesting stories delivered by talented actors and actresses who can potray interesting characters. This is what I call fun in a movie. This is what Summer Glau represents to me because I know that I’ll always have fun when I’m watching her, and not just because she looks good (and she looks just as good as "the fresh meat", even better IMO ) but because she gives me something more, a character like Cameron who is an integral part of the story, who has a complex personality which I have to figure out . Same goes for a story. Seriously if I want to see women in sexy poses or outfit I rather watch porn, or if I want to see beautiful landscape I go hiking rather than watching a CGI copy. And name me just one film which will be remembered and will be enjoyable after 30-40 years after its completion like Star Wars The New Hope and the other classics.Todays CGI technology will be outdated in the next five years.

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3) As much as i appreciate Summer Glau, she has not the ability to attract filmgoers just by her name, or every tv show she plays on would be a success.


It appears that not everybody has the brainpower to appreciate her work. Her habits to dance onscreen makes her too "geeky" for the taste of the Glau haters or what?

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Imo, there is zero chance that Summer Glau would play on a terminator movie; your arguments, though well constructed, are from a fanboy point of view and not from a Hollywood executive point of view. I'm not saying i understand the Execs more than you do, i don't and even so-called experts don't either (see TVByTheNumbers experts foreseeing "Fringe" and "Chuck" cancellations).
But fans expectations and Executives decisions are very different and the last ones always win in the end.


Is that really normal that the producers decide what will the audience watch rather than making films which will please the audience given that movies are exist with the sole purpose of entertaining the people? However I suspect that the real proplem is that the standards of the general audience got very low in the past twenty years.


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That said i appreciate very much that you take the time to develop your aguments on the wiki; i'm sure wiki viewers appreciate that too. By confronting our different opinions, Wiki viewers can have two visions and make their own opinions themselves.


I’m glad that I can help making the site more interesting to the viewers and maybe encouraging them to join or post more often. I’ve always thought this site is way better than the other Summer fan sites and hearing compliments from a prominent member like you is a big thing for me.


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Date: Sunday, 2011 May 29, 02:43 GMT | Message # 10

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In other words they prefer hiring Hollywood whores instead of actresses. And they also prefer making fancy CGI instead of developing something more essential, a story perhaps?


That's the way the movie industry treats actresses these days : every scifi blockbuster has a male lead and the females are there just to attract the young male population. Think to Prinse of Persia, Iron Man, Transformers,...the list is endless. I remember i have seen an article from Jody Foster or Meryl Streep deploring this drift from the movie industry. Hollywood Execs make blockbusters for kids (the same who buy merchandising , video games and hamburgers with a logo on the package).
The studio makes money from the DVDs and the merchandising, not from the theaters tickets. A business model where you could watch a blockbuster on theater for free would still be profitable.


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Date: Sunday, 2011 May 29, 02:54 GMT | Message # 11

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I suspect that the real proplem is that the standards of the general audience got very low in the past twenty years.


For me it's rather the change of business model; 30 years ago, studios made money from theaters tickets but it's not true anymore as i explained above. The video game industry is more profitable than the movie industry even if the video games are inspired by the movie itself.

Actors who have the ability to create emotions and speak to the heart and soul of the viewer like Summer Glau have difficulties to fit in this business model.
The french movie industry works differently from the US movie industry : stories and mostly actrors performance is valued in France whereas the entertainment and the ability to generate sides profits prevails in the US. I regret it just like you alas there is little we can do about it.

This wiki is trying to make her work known but the problem is it speaks mostly to already convinced people aka Summer fans.


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Date: Sunday, 2011 May 29, 13:59 GMT | Message # 12

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That's the way the movie industry treats actresses these days : every scifi blockbuster has a male lead and the females are there just to attract the young male population. Think to Prinse of Persia, Iron Man, Transformers,...the list is endless. I remember i have seen an article from Jody Foster or Meryl Streep deploring this drift from the movie industry. Hollywood Execs make blockbusters for kids (the same who buy merchandising , video games and hamburgers with a logo on the package).


I think this pattern is not only true to scifi movies.It seems to me that the general direction of the american film industry is to promote the idea that "a woman is only cool if she is a whore" and its true even for tv shows which are geared towards the female audience.I'm not a psychiatrist but I'm sure this will make some girls grow up with deformed personalities. Same goes for a boy who constantly gets pummeled by the vast amount of sexual content found in such movies. You can argue that one movie will not change anything but a child generally sees dozens of it during his/her childhood and it adds up. I can't figure out what they gain by transforming the population like that.This whole thing is just stinks to me.


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Actors who have the ability to create emotions and speak to the heart and soul of the viewer like Summer Glau have difficulties to fit in this business model.


I think this is the number one reason why Summer is not considered one of the top ten american actresses by the majority of the audience.In one of my earlier posts I mentioned that Summer has difficulties blending in because what she offers is not in line with the "values" of the currently dominant system. At the same time she turns down roles which are more in line with the model which I suspect is because playing those roles with her artist, dancer mind would be a nightmare. This causes that she won't find that many roles as a regular actress however I really respect her strength required to say no to the producers and turn away from a significant amount of fame and money , choosing her beliefs instead. I'd rather watch her in a few good roles than watch her in many horrible anyway.


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When i first discovered Summer Glau and her work, i thought she was the type of actors that just takes whatever role she's been given and don't open her mouth with writers or showrunners : this must be because of her apparent shyness and the fact she came to acting by accident.
But as you mentioned it, it seems she turned down roles that does not fit her values. More recently, she expressed her disagreement about the way her character Orwell was beeing treated by tom Wheeler on the Attack of The Show interview (was it only the expression of her deception of open criticize?). That and the fact she switched talent agency makes me think she is aware of that and is willing to change her status from B-list actors to A-list.
That is one of the questions i'd like to ask her at the Starfury T3 convention if i have the opportunity.


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Since I first saw her in TSCC I had the feeling that despite her appearance Summer Glau has an extremely strong personality and self awareness compared to most actresses or even most woman of her age. And it seems to me that these two traits make her avoid appearing or feeling weak even if this weakness is not real and only part of a fictional character. This proves that she has a strong emotional link with the character she plays and this link seems so strong that she is actually able to feel what her character feels. So if the character is weak or subdued somehow then its possible that she can feel this weakness too which upsets or even outright terrifies her. This causes her to avoid roles which make her appear too weak. Her selection of roles backs this up because there are a few common traits in her characters:

1, They always have an abilty which makes them more valuable, powerful,exceptional in one word superior compared to the rest of the cast
2. They have generally strong will and they appear fearless expecially under extreme circumstances.
3. Even if they get subdued or defeated it makes the given character more heroic ,more special because either she sacrificed herself or the situation is temporary and she becomes twice as powerful in the end(I don’t know where to put Bennett however her death was rather just a reference to River)

The fact that she criticized Orwell especially in an interview further proves this theory because it seems to me that she had a strongly negative experience and she is really angry that Tom forced her to appear in such a weak state(like in the Lich episodes).

So trough I would be really, really happy to see her as a valued and recognized superstar with at least 10 oscars if my theory is correct then she should still be really careful considering her role selection because
weaker roles may cause harm to her self-esteem which can even delay her ascension as an actress.

Of course I don’t know Summer Glau and I put this together only using the facts regarding her work and a few interview so I can’t tell for sure.

If only I had one hour with her where I can ask questions and have a conversation with her I would be able to know more about the real Summer Glau. That would be a glorious day.


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I would not go as far as comparing the real Summer Glau and the fictional characters she plays; i prefer to be amazed by the contrast between her supposed shyness and awkwardness during interviews (that you cannot deny) and the ability she has to pass on emotions while acting; Schwartzenegger playing a big muscular guy is not really acting because he doesn't create much whereas Summer has this very special ability to create an emotional link between her character and the audience.
Me for example, i'm at ease when it comes to socialize with people but i had an experience of theater acting when i was at college and i can tell you i'm a very bad actor.

If only she had the chance to show that talent on a succesfull tv show or movie, her carrer would go to the roof.

Btw, did i tell you that i'm going to the Startfury T3 convention in London in one month? You're the first i officially tell this but don't repeat it please biggrin


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