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FordStaffDate: Friday, 11 Nov 2011, 10:05 | Message # 61
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Question to those who have seen Deep Space Nine and Andromeda - Were they on the cynical side of the sliding scale of cynicism and idealism? For reference Babylon 5, Firefly, and new Battlestar Galactica are space operas commonly considered on the cynical side of the scale.

I wonder if the tendency toward the cynical side of the scale in space operas will continue with this new show, or if perhaps they will choose to return to the idealistic side.


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BlaziusDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 00:00 | Message # 62
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Question to those who have seen Deep Space Nine and Andromeda - Were they on the cynical side of the sliding scale of cynicism and idealism? For reference Babylon 5, Firefly, and new Battlestar Galactica are space operas commonly considered on the cynical side of the scale.


DS9 is not that overly idealistic as its predecessor TNG especially with the war and the Bajorian occupation stories. Since it stole Babylon 5s basic ideas it became the darkest Star Trek ever created and I think it'd be a good watch for cynical mood lovers. Although there are still pro Federation happy socialism themes here and there and somebody thinks that its still too steril world.

Andromeda is tough to tell. Its a Roddenberry related show so it has Star Trek-ish ideas too. The Systems Commonwealth is an idealistic utopia which the main heroes want to restore. Although this utopia was destroyed and changed into a nightmarish realm. Later they manage to restore it but it becomes corrupt or their members are too stupid to run it efficiently. I still have't finish it so I can't tell how it will end through.

On the other hand the main hero Captain Dylan Hunt( Kevin Sorbo AKA. Hercules) is a perfect entity, cleverer than anybody, has unquestionably good morality, stronger than anybody and also every female creature no matter if human or not wants him and after 5 minutes of their meeting they start kissing with him. Decide if its too idealistic or not for you.

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I wonder if the tendency toward the cynical side of the scale in space operas will continue with this new show, or if perhaps they will choose to return to the idealistic side.


I hope it will be cynical for no other reason than because I believe it will be more successful that way. People are not in the mood for an idealistic future nowadays and they would mock it, even sci-fi fans as they mock TNG too sometimes.


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FordStaffDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 02:30 | Message # 63
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People are not in the mood for an idealistic future nowadays and they would mock it, even sci-fi fans as they mock TNG too sometimes.


I am pro cynicism in this regard, idealism has reigned supreme for a bit too long in science fiction in my opinion. Isn't the TNG mocking partly because of how overboard Picard would sometimes get with his speeches and what not?

Another question how hard were DS9 and Andromeda? By television science fiction standards Firefly and BSG are considered fairly hard space operas for reference. Television science fictions is fairly soft compared to hard science fiction in other media though.

I am trying to gauge where this new show will fall. It seems harder and more cynical has been the general trend.


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BlaziusDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 02:42 | Message # 64
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Another question how hard were DS9 and Andromeda? By television science fiction standards Firefly and BSG are considered fairly hard space operas for reference. Television science fictions is fairly soft compared to hard science fiction in other media though.


What do you mean by how "hard" are they exactly?


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FordStaffDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 02:53 | Message # 65
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What do you mean by how "hard" are they exactly?


There is a hypothetical hardness scale for science fiction ranging from very soft to very hard. Soft Science fiction takes far more liberties with the "Science". Hard Science fiction is not so flexible with the rules of science. So the hardest a science fiction could be would just be a very accurate description of an astronaut flight to Mars with no elements not derived from actual science. A very soft science fiction may involve time travel, parallel universes, teleporting devices, immortality serum etc etc. Another indication of the hardness is how far the fictional work takes its explanations of its fantastical elements.

For television most science fiction is not very hard, but if we only consider television Firefly and BSG would be examples of very hard space operas. Particularly firefly because of the lack of faster than light travel, and the no sound in space, and various other things (it does have mind reading though, but almost all television science fiction has far more out there fantastical elements than that).


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BlaziusDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 02:58 | Message # 66
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Then DS9 is fairly soft( but not softer than earlier Star Trek)

Andromeda is painfully soft smile


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FordStaffDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 03:07 | Message # 67
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Then DS9 is fairly soft( but not softer than earlier Star Trek)


Then my guess would be that it is somewhat on the hard side for television standards, particularly for space operas. The scale is not always easy to decide upon though.

Looks like this new show could go any place then because it seems Andromeda was idealist and soft while DS9 was relatively hard and cynical. It may be fairly important if the show is any good and takes well. Could decide the trajectory of the genre for quite a while.


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BlaziusDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 03:22 | Message # 68
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Then my guess would be that it is somewhat on the hard side for television standards, particularly for space operas. The scale is not always easy to decide upon though.

Looks like this new show could go any place then because it seems Andromeda was idealist and soft while DS9 was relatively hard and cynical. It may be fairly important if the show is any good and takes well. Could decide the trajectory of the genre for quite a while.


I guess soft and cynic would be the most feasible choice because the majority of the audience could connect the best with this combination.

i'd like this show to succeed because it may be that if they screw it up then we won't walk in space ever again on TV sad


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FordStaffDate: Saturday, 12 Nov 2011, 03:27 | Message # 69
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i'd like this show to succeed because it may be that if they screw it up then we won't walk in space ever again on TV


That has me worried too. If they really screw up then they will be screwing over the space opera genre royally. I would prefer that it become extremely popular and successful even if it meant that I would not like the show very much. Then at least the way is open and not closed shut for more science fiction.


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chrisdvanneDate: Sunday, 13 Nov 2011, 01:45 | Message # 70
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Don't forget to comment the video interview of Summer on the news page!
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chrisdvanneDate: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 02:30 | Message # 71
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I will bump this thread untill leaving a comment on the latest news will become a reflex.

Even if you repeat what you say on the forum, that's not a problem.


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chrisdvanneDate: Wednesday, 16 Nov 2011, 15:28 | Message # 72
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According to Twitch, Twilight star Kristen Stewart has been offered the lead female role in the Hollywood live-action remake of legendary anime Akira.

I'm not familiar with the anime but does this role imply bad acting or it's just that Hollywood is milking the cow (after casting Krisitn in 'Snow White and the Huntsman') ?


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chrisdvanneDate: Monday, 21 Nov 2011, 14:50 | Message # 73
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Last news entry : Human Preservation Project the ending?

Are you expecting more videos? Do you think the Human Preservation Project was beneficial to Summer's image and career?

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chrisdvanneDate: Tuesday, 22 Nov 2011, 16:36 | Message # 74
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A usual, don't forget to comment Summer's appearance at Emerald City Comic Con on the news page.

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chrisdvanneDate: Thursday, 24 Nov 2011, 13:18 | Message # 75
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I think i'm developping a clairvoyance superpower :

1) a few days ago, i made a blog entry titled 'Dallas Comic Con & Sci-Fi Expo guests' saying Summer's presence was requested at Dallas Sci-Fi Expo.
Then we learned that Summer Glau will attend Emerald City Comicon.

2) Yesterday i wrote an article about Summer's influence on Geek Culture titled 'Summer Glau is the missing link between The Big Bang Theory and Community'.
Then Den of Geek publish its article dedicated to Summer's celebration.

Maybe i should buy a lottery ticket this week biggrin


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